Traveller-digest     Tuesday, October 12 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1194



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: It pays to be a Traveller player...
Traveller Forms
RE: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II 
RE: Traveller Forms
Re: It pays to be a Traveller player...
Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon))
Re: Bigger ammo clips
Re: Traveller Versions
RE: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II 
RE: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II
Re: Starports in the 21C
Re: Does anyone play these games?
Re: Bigger ammo clips
Re: Survivor kids (Was: Annic Nova)
It must be Monday
Re: Hmmmm
Traveller Forms & citizen of the TML
Near C rocks
Near-c rocks:  Threat or menace?
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1185
Firing Multaple weapons
GTL8 5 dTon Shuttle

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:27:32 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: It pays to be a Traveller player...

In mail you write:

> On 10 Oct 99, at 8:15, Douglas E. Berry wrote:
>
>> If you've never seen the inside of a modern sub, it's quite amazing.  You
>> go from a room that's filled with bleeding edge computer equipment into a
>> steampunk maze of pipes and fittings.  After seeing the berthing
>> comparments, I have a new respect for the people who do this for a living.
>
> I went and saw Wing Commander last week (the theatre had a cheapie 
> night), and it wasn't as bad as I'd expected. One thing I did like was 
> the way the hangers were spacious, but the crew spaces and corridor 
> were low and cramped (though the single rooms spoiled this a bit). 
> Quite a nice change from Star Trek's nice clean hall ways.

It's fairly well known *why* the corridors in the origonal Star Trek
were so wide. They *had* to be, or the cameras didn't have room to
follow the actors.

My "in universe" justification for that sort of wide corridor is that
it's needed for "damage control". More properly, it's needed to let
them move equipment around the ship when the transporters are down. 

Given the way the "original" Enterprise seems to be organized, they
don't have the advantage of having all the "heavy equipment" either
centralized, or near the "surface" of the ship, unlike a typical
seagoing vessel.

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:49:12 -0500
From: Alex Ingram <ingram@airmail.net>
Subject: Traveller Forms

I assume that you received the first two Traveller Forms in PDF format. If
you didn't please let me know. If you did where and when will they be on
your great site? I will have several others by next weekend.

Alex Ingram

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:55:12 -0700
From: "Jesse DeGraff" <fenris@slip.net>
Subject: RE: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II 

No clue.  I bought it used in about '85 or '86 IIRC.  I've no idea on it's
history or the year it was made.  It's a Chinese Norinco AKMS.  Musta' been
one of those flighty ones from a bad shift :)  I must admit that I've had a
lot of short range plinking fun with it over the years, even if it DOES have
problems keeping a magazine of ammo on a standard b-27 silhouette target at
100 yards :)

Jesse



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
> [mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Keven R.
> Pittsinger
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:44 PM
> To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II
>
>
> > And you can't hit anything with an AK anyway, so why bother ;)
>
> Depends on who made it.  The Czech made ones were pretty good.
> The Russian
> made ones depended more on which factory turned them out and on
> what day they
> were made.  The Chinese versions were even more flighty.  I wouldn't even
> wanna *LOOK* at an Afghani monkey copy let alone shoot it.
>
> > Sorry, my AK's a bit shot out, so I'm prejudiced.  I think it
> barely manages
> > to score minute-of-barn, while my AR-15 does the proper
> minute-of-angle :D
>
> It takes a *LOT* to shoot out an AK.  That sucker surplus from
> Angola or something?
>
> Keven
>
> --
> tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
>
> Science-Fiction Adventure
>                                                      In Reavers' Deep
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:58:27 -0700
From: "Jesse DeGraff" <fenris@slip.net>
Subject: RE: Traveller Forms

Uhm, you're sending that to the TML.  Were you trying to reach someone
specifically?

"Check your targets!"  :)

Jesse




> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
> [mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Alex Ingram
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:49 PM
> To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
> Subject: Traveller Forms
>
>
> I assume that you received the first two Traveller Forms in PDF format. If
> you didn't please let me know. If you did where and when will they be on
> your great site? I will have several others by next weekend.
>
> Alex Ingram
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:42:12 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz>
Subject: Re: It pays to be a Traveller player...

> > If you've never seen the inside of a modern sub, it's quite amazing.
You
> > go from a room that's filled with bleeding edge computer equipment into
a
> > steampunk maze of pipes and fittings.  After seeing the berthing
> > comparments, I have a new respect for the people who do this for a
living.
>
> I went and saw Wing Commander last week (the theatre had a cheapie
> night), and it wasn't as bad as I'd expected. One thing I did like was
> the way the hangers were spacious, but the crew spaces and corridor
> were low and cramped (though the single rooms spoiled this a bit).
> Quite a nice change from Star Trek's nice clean hall ways.

We did this on purpose in our "Wing Commander meets Star Wars" Traveller
game,  where we played a squadron of pilot jocks on a Solomani fleet
carrier, doing things like flying up the spinal meson gun of the Imperial
ships to avoid the as much of the "AA" fire.

All players had to state that they ducked their head when they entered the
ward room, or they would bang it on the low hanging pipes.

The cheif engineeer would do hings like release steam from pipes whenever we
went to talk to him just so it looked like he was working hard, and then
turn of the steam when we'd left.

<grin>

Frankie

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:50:32 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz>
Subject: Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon))

"Parts Quest" huh  ?

We played an ad hoc game a few months back called "HoonQuest" where a group
of "Westies" (known in this country for hotting up FJ Holdens and wearing
black Led Zeppelin tee-shirts) went looking for an elusive and original part
for a 1956 Holden..

It was a LARP,  and the only props we needed were black tshirts and a car to
hang out of, and a recording of "Stairway to Heaven".

Frankie

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:18:43 -0700
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)
Subject: Re: Bigger ammo clips

>From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
>Subject: Re: Bigger ammo clips
...
>However for those that want them there are some nice 90-round magd 
>available for the M16. They have a drum on each side, so they make the 
>weapon wider rather than deeper. Those who want really large ammo 
>supplies 'in-weapon' should probably go for a belt fed machinegun, 
>because that way you can just mash another belt on the end to your 
>heart's content.

  The box of an FN Minimi holds a belt, I assume?

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:21:43 -0500
From: Charles R Hensley <hensley.cr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Traveller Versions

Tom Schoene wrote:

>I can only see not understanding the statistics as becoming a problem
if
>the GM and players are in an adversarial relationship, which means the
>group has problems that number crunching can't fix.

Far too true.    2 gearheads, 2 rules rapists, and 2 game designers plus
a few others.  If I tryed a smaller group (ie subgroup) only 2 would
show for the game.  The MT task system stopped 90% of the turmoil and
allowed the game to progress, although there were heated arguements
after the game.

Charles

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:22:54 +1300
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: RE: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II 

On 11 Oct 99, at 20:55, Jesse DeGraff wrote:

> No clue.  I bought it used in about '85 or '86 IIRC.  I've no idea on it's
> history or the year it was made.  It's a Chinese Norinco AKMS.  Musta'
> been one of those flighty ones from a bad shift :)  I must admit that I've
> had a lot of short range plinking fun with it over the years, even if it
> DOES have problems keeping a magazine of ammo on a standard b-27
> silhouette target at 100 yards :)

Wonderful for suppressive fire though - not only can you suppress the 
guy you're firing at, but his mate on the right, and his mate on the 
left as well :)
 

- --
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
Wellington, New Zealand

A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:22:54 +1300
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: RE: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II

On 11 Oct 99, at 20:31, Jesse DeGraff wrote:

> And you can't hit anything with an AK anyway, so why bother ;)
> 
> Sorry, my AK's a bit shot out, so I'm prejudiced.  I think it barely
> manages to score minute-of-barn, while my AR-15 does the proper
> minute-of-angle :D

I belive that 6 MOA is considered not unreasonable for an AK. The 
M16A1s we had in basic were so shoot out that some regularly keyholed 
the targets, and most would do around 2 MOA. I got lucky - mine did 1.5 
MOA (mind you it was so worn that when firing the selector switch would 
sometimes bump round to full-auto).


- --
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
Wellington, New Zealand

A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:26:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net>
Subject: Re: Starports in the 21C

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:55:54 PST
> From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
> 
> Actually, the Shuttle does *not* have an ablative skin. Just one that
> can withstand high temps *and* is a superb insulator, so that the heat
> doesn't leak inward and fry the crew. 

I don't know whether the process is technically ablation or not, but for
whatever reason most (all?) of the shuttle's tiles get replaced after each
flight.  That was my point.

> Interesting data point. The Chinese use *oak* for such disposable heat
> shields. 

That's too cool. :)

> > IIRC, Pournelle used water landings (is that an oxymoron?) as the normal
> > mode of operations in his Codominium books.
> 
> Given that his "shuttles" came down *under power*, and had fusion
> power, this is reasonable.

This was meant to apply to the "21st Century starports" topic, so the same
operating mode was assumed.

- -- 
   |   Craig Berry - cberry@cinenet.net
 --*--    Home Page: http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html
   |      "There it is; take it."  - William Mulholland

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:28:26 -0700
From: "Luther Martin" <martin@ksarul.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone play these games?

You are probably not alone in having no group to play with. What we need is
a volunteer to either attempt running a play-by-email version of a Traveller
adventure or one on the GDW Traveller games (preferably Fifth Frontier War -
the best of them all as well as being easy to adapt to email). This could be
very challenging, since you would need to make major changes in *stuff* to
make it work by e-mail. Is anyone out there up to this challenge?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Sword Worlder <swordworlder@clinic.net>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Does anyone play these games?


> Own them all, but have only played AHL.  Since I don't have a group I
don't
> actually play the game now. <sigh>  how did I get started on this
self-pity
> thing again?  Sorry.
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The TRAVELLER Domain
> http://www.downport.com
> Colin Michael, WebDev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Luther Martin
> A general question, prompted by the replies to my posting about the FFW
> game. Does anyone actually <em>play</em> these games (FFW, IE, AHL, etc)
> anymore, or do people just put the box on a shelf and look at it
> aperiodically?
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:29:55 +1300
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Bigger ammo clips

On 11 Oct 99, at 21:18, Steven Hudson wrote:

>   The box of an FN Minimi holds a belt, I assume?

Yes, it's just a convienient way of carrying the belt around. The only 
problem is that the belt tends to make this annoying 'clunck, clunck' 
noise against the box - not good when you're trying to sneak through 
the bush. We used to simply have a short belt (30 - 50 rnds) on the 
gun, and carry lots of 200 rnd belts in pouches and under our jackets 
(so they wouldn't give our position away by shining). When we were 
still using the M16s instead of the short belt we'd have a M16 mag in 
the gun (the Minimi/C9/M249? will take M16 mags) for rapid response. 
Typical military logic that. They bought C9's partly because they could 
use M16 mags, and then went out and replaced the M16A1s with Steyer 
AUGs, which use a different plastic magazine.


- --
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
Wellington, New Zealand

A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:37:51 -0500
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net>
Subject: Re: Survivor kids (Was: Annic Nova)

Leonard Erickson wrote:
> 
> In mail you write:
> 
> > On 9 Oct 99, at 12:57, Andrew Moffatt-Vallance wrote:
> >
> >> Date sent:            Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:42:12 -0400
> >> From:                 Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
> >>
> >> > Timothy Collinson writes:
> >> > <snipped>
> >> > >I am right in thinking that breastfeeding acts as an
> >> > >(effective?) contraceptive aren't I?
> >> > <snipped>
> >>
> >> >     I think that it may reduce the odds of getting pregnant,
> >> >     but not to zero.  Getting only barely enough to eat is
> >> >     probably more effective at contraception.
> >>
> >> Exclusively breastfeeding is a 99%+ effective contraceptive (thats equal
> >> to the best chemical contraceptive). It drops off fairly rapidly once the
> >> child starts to wean. Effectiveness is also decreased dramatically if the
> >> child is not exclusively breasfed.
> >
> > The stats I've been reading are somewhere in between these, and suggest
> > that breastfeeding is of little use as a contraceptive after the first
> > nine months of breastfeeding.
> 
> The info I've encountered suggestion that the 99% figure is closer. But
> *only* if that's how the kid is getting most of his food.
> 
> In modern, "civilized" cultures, that rarely happens. And thanks to the
> *idiots* marketing formula to third world countries, it rarely holds
> there. Matter of fact the introduction of infant formula to third world
> nations has *two* dramatic effects. First, it increases the frequency
> of pregnancies, thus increasing the birth rate. Second,it increases the
> infant mortality weight and frequency of infant malnutrition. That's
> because it's so expensive that the mothers dilute it.

You forgot one:  The lack of bacteria-free water with which to mix the
formula leads to high mortality, as well.
> 
> ObTrav: Introducing "better" technology often *hurts* the cultures it's
> introduced to.



- -- 
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:37:12 -0700
From: "Luther Martin" <martin@ksarul.com>
Subject: It must be Monday

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:43:20 -0500
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net>
Subject: Re: Hmmmm

Leonard Erickson wrote:
> 
> In mail you write:
> 
> > Supplement 10 provides that the "Owner" of Earth is the Imperial Marines.
> >
> > William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
> > interface!"
> 
> For some reason, *this* time when I read your sig, my mind flashed on
> one of the "Buck Godot" books. It has a couple of "characters" named
> "Smith" and "Wesson". They are a pair of intelligent weapons (in much
> the same sense as a D&D "intelligent sword"). They essentially control
> the poor guy that carries them.
> 
> Those would be by *just* the weapons for someone to acquire (or is that
> "be acquired by?" :-)

Sorry for drifting off-topic so quickly, but this anecdote reminds me of
a D&D filk I heard once:  "No-Ego Wood" (to the tune of "Norwegian
Wood").  The first lines went:

I once had a sword
Or should I say, it once had me

Does anyone here have the rest of the lyrics to this filk?
> 

- -- 
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:52:14 -0400
From: "Sword Worlder" <swordworlder@clinic.net>
Subject: Traveller Forms & citizen of the TML

tonight I added Alex's forms to the Support area and updated the Citizen's
of the TML.  I was curious, so I counted and there are now 88 mini bios of
our fellow TMLers posted there.  It strikes me as I read down through, not
only the diversity of talents, but the depth and breadth of knowledge.
Confirms my feeling that Traveller players are not your average knights of
the dinner table.  Sure, some are a little squirrelly, er... I mean
eccentric, but I think we could run circles around the UN people.  What say
we take over the planet and lead it into the space age?  Eh-hem, like I
said, some are a bit eccentric ;-)

Forms: http://www.downport.com/tas/

Citizens of the TML: http://www.downport.com/understanding/TML.html

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The TRAVELLER Domain
http://www.downport.com
Colin Michael, WebDev

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Ingram <ingram@airmail.net>
> I assume that you received the first two Traveller Forms in PDF format. If
> you didn't please let me know. If you did where and when will they be on
> your great site? I will have several others by next weekend.

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:53:41 +1000
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au
Subject: Near C rocks

I agree that there should be mention of the Hyper Velocity planetary bombardment
systems in Traveller, but as an aside.

"High Velocity Planetary Bombardment Systems (HVPBS) ,  like Nuclear Warheads ,
are reserved for Imperial forces only. Excpet that since Imperial Order 1109 ,
the use of said weapons is barred as a first use weapon. The Imperium reserves
the right to respond in kind to any attacks used on its member worlds, but the
use of it as a first strike weapon will GARENTEE reponse from the Imperium"

"As per IO1109, and admended by IO2045, use of HVPBS must be authorised by the
Emporer or Archduke ON IMPERIAL STATIONARY. The Imperium that the use of HVPBS
is a political weapon, thus no Imperial Officer can initate use of this system.
The penalty is loss of all assets, up to and including his/her life."

"Informal discussions with the Zhodani during the conclusion of the First
Interstellar Wars agredd that both sides will informally acknolegde that HVPBS
will not be used by either side. Of all the Major races, only the Kree do not
pubicly renounce the use of HVPBS. However all Starfaring nations near the Kree
have advised the Kree that any use of the HVPBS will be met in kind, and it is
rumored that both the Solomani and Imperial forces have a class of ship based
near Kree space solely designed to accellerate projectiles. Of cause, both the
Solomani and Imperial Governments deny this".

The only person mad enough to use this would have to b Lucan, and maybe the
Solomani during the Black War period.

Darryl

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:12:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net>
Subject: Near-c rocks:  Threat or menace?

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:01:39 PST
> From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
> 
> My take is to ignore the stupid "thrusters" and go with reaction
> drives. That makes near-c rocks *expensive*.

Yep, that's about the only credible fix.  Trouble is, "magic carpet"
m-drives are (at least for me) part of the 'feel' of Traveller.

> For that matter, even *with* thrusters, it takes a damned *big* rock
> going really, really fast to be much worse than a nuke, or a redirected
> asteroid. 

Well, you can trade off between how big and how fast.  Twice as fast
(well, the outcome of twice as much acceleration, allowing for relativity)
means the rock can be four times less massive for the same energy yield.

> Just consider how *long* you have to push that rock to get it up to
> even 1% of c. 

Roughly half a week at 1 g, a month at .1 g.  Not unreasonable for
t-plates.

- -- 
   |   Craig Berry - cberry@cinenet.net
 --*--    Home Page: http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html
   |      "There it is; take it."  - William Mulholland

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 99 00:12:42 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1185

On 10/11/99 at 05:36 PM,  dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au said:

>>Yeah, and I really want to dip my nice red-hot crytaliron hull in a
>>brine bath. Seriously IMO landing recently re-entered, and thus
>>somewhat warm, starships in salty sea water is proably not going to do
>>much for their longevity.

>Since dumping or reflecting heat is a serious design concideration, I
>would assume that this is allready factered into starships designs.

>The Space shuttle's black insulation bricks can be touched SECONDS
>after being taken out of a furnace. While the bricks still glow.

>A spaceship doing any reasonable speed required for landing/takeoff
>will be designed to dump reaction heat generated by friction, if only
>to protect the crew inside.

>And lets face it, Travelelr material bounces plasma. Salt water would
>not affect it...

IMTU, most of the ships are designed to make water landings, either
as an option or the primary method of landing.

>ObTrav : A deralict spaceship is found submurged underwater, from the
>Interstellar Wars. The hulls are fine, but the nuclear missiles have
>rusted to critical state, and need to be removed before damaging the
>enviroment (booms, radiation el at)

The /Mae Lee/ which I've talked about before, spent four years on
the bottom of a lake between the time it was "liberated" from the
Zeristu and the time Akus Moby raised it and sneaked it out of their
territory.  You know, I'd like to write that story up as an
adventure one of these days. <g> 

Eris

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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:07:45 +1000
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au
Subject: Firing Multaple weapons

IMHO, Battledress should be able to fire more than one weapon a turn.

IMTU, BD has extensive fire control systems, allowing threat determination,
targeting piority, zone and theatre defence an others. The solder is more like a
pilot, choosing set piorities, or allow kitchen sinking his/her weapons on a
target.

The dificalties will be based on the complexity of his/her computer systems, up
to the limit of the persons BD skill (a perosn with high BD skill is trained to
use the features of a BD efectivley). There would be a penalty on multitasking
(I like and use +1 diff band/ -2 GT Skill penalty per task), as distractions
could cause errors.

Darryl

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:40:40 -0500
From: "Bont" <felix@felixcafe.com>
Subject: GTL8 5 dTon Shuttle

Here is a TL8 version of the 5 dTon shuttle.

TL8 5 dTon Shuttle

  Statistics : TL8, HP 1200, PD 4, DR 100, HT 8, Size Mod 6, 
Sealed, 108,505.4 lbs, $ 6,891,290, 2,499.88 cf, 8,125.1 kW 
Used, 8,115.1 kW Produced, 8,000 kW Motive Power, 16,000 lbs 
Motive Thrust, 110,000 lbs Aerostatic Lift, Vehicle Features : 
Computerized Controls, Fair streamlining

  Components
    - Structure Profile: TL8 Medium Frame Standard Materials 
    - Armor Profile: TL8 DR 100 Standard Metal (TURLFB) 

    Module - Body, Front (PD 4 DR 100), Rear (PD 4 DR 100), Left 
(PD 4 DR 100), Right (PD 4 DR 100), HP 1800, 108,505.4 lbs, $ 
6,890,790, 2,499.88 cf, 8,125.1 kW Used, 8,115.1 kW Produced, 
8,000 kW Motive Power, 16,000 lbs Motive Thrust, 110,000 lbs 
Aerostatic Lift

    Components
      - Airlock, TL7, HP 100, PD 4, DR 100, 1 Person at a time, 500 
lbs, $ 1,000, 50 cf 
      - Compact Fire Suppression, TL7, HP 6, PD 4, DR 100, 50 lbs, 
$ 500, 1 cf 
      - Cramped Seat, HP 100, PD 4, DR 100, 3 Occupants, 660 lbs, 
$ 300, 60 cf Occupied
      - Cargo, HP 175, PD 4, DR 100, 140 cf, 2,800 lbs, 140 cf 

      Module - Engineering, HP 1000, PD 4, DR 100, 49,240.4 lbs, $ 
5,053,790, 1,956.62 cf, 8,112 kW Used, 8,115.1 kW Produced

      Components
        - Compact Fire Suppression, TL7, HP 6, PD 4, DR 100, 50 
lbs, $ 500, 1 cf 
        - Limited Life Support, TL8, HP 40, PD 4, DR 100, 1 Days, 4 
People, 600 lbs, $ 2,000, 12 cf, 2 kW Used 
        - GT Vectored Thruster, TL8, HP 400, PD 4, DR 100, 8 sTons 
of Thrust, 12,000 lbs, $ 1,200,000, 480 cf, 8,000 kW Used Short 
Term Access
        - GT Contragrav, TL8, HP 19, PD 4, DR 100, 110,000 lbs Lifts, 
130 lbs, $ 5,250, 5.2 cf, 110 kW Used Short Term Access
        - Fission Reactor, TL8, HP 800, PD 4, DR 100, 8,115.1 kW, 
36,460.4 lbs, $ 3,846,040, 1,458.42 cf, 8,115.1 kW Produced 
Lasts 2 years, Short Term Access

      Module - TL8 Cockpit Bridge, HP 100, PD 4, DR 100, 2,455 lbs, 
$ 1,652,800, 65 cf, 13.1 kW Used

      Components
        - Compact Fire Suppression, TL7, HP 6, PD 4, DR 100, 50 
lbs, $ 500, 1 cf 
        - Cramped Crew Station, HP 50, PD 4, DR 100, 1 Crewmen, 
220 lbs, $ 100, 20 cf 

        Module - Instruments and Electronics, HP 75, PD 2, DR 2, 
2,185 lbs, $ 1,652,200, 44 cf, 13.1 kW Used

        Components
          - Precision Navigation Instruments, TL7, HP 4, PD 2, DR 2, 1 
Units, 20 lbs, $ 5,000, 0.4 cf 
          - Armor Profile: TL1 DR 2 No Quality No Material (TURLFB) 
          - IFF, TL8, HP 2, PD 2, DR 2, 1 Units, 5 lbs, $ 1,000, 0.1 cf 
          - XLR Communicator, TL8, HP 50, PD 2, DR 2, 1,000 lbs, $ 
6,000, 20 cf, 0.4 kW Used 100,000 mi
          - Flight Recorder, TL8, HP 4, PD 2, DR 2, 10 lbs, $ 200, 0.5 
cf 
          - Microframe Computer, TL9, HP 16, PD 2, DR 2, 2 Units, 
200 lbs, $ 40,000, 4 cf, 0.2 kW Used Complexity 5
          - PESA, TL8, HP 16, PD 2, DR 2, 50 mi, 200 lbs, $ 800,000, 
4 cf Scan Rating 22/28
          - Radscanner, TL8, HP 40, PD 2, DR 2, 50 mi, 600 lbs, $ 
550,000, 12 cf Passive IR, Thermograph, Passive Radar, Scan 
Rating 22/28
          - Radar (AESA), TL8, HP 13, PD 2, DR 2, 50 mi, 150 lbs, $ 
250,000, 3 cf, 12.5 kW Used Scan Rating 22/28

  Air Performance : Motive Thrust 16,000 lbs, Stall Speed 0 MPH, 
Top Speed 447.2 MPH, aAccel 2.9 MPH/s, aMR 1.5, aSR 5, 
aDecel 6 MPH/s, Take off 0, Landing 0, Lifting Body

  Space Performance : sAcc 0.147 g, sDec 0.147 g, sMR 0.147

- - - -
FELIX (Thomas L Bont)

- - Encrypt your messages!
  That way only the government knows what you wrote!

- - It is truly the wise man that knows what he doesn't!

- - With your shield or on it ... (Old Spartan Blessing)

- - Fidelitas super omnia, honore excepto

- - Help Stop Forest Fires.  Outlaw Matches.

Be sure to visit The FELIX Cafe at
     http://www.felixcafe.com/

- - - -

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